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PSYCHOPATHOLOGY: a pathological deviation from normal or efficient behavior; psychosis.

We don't allow it in our communities why are we allowing it on the world stage by the consensus of a FEW. Pre-emptive strike talk has made this out of control and unconditional support of such conditions makes me not able to find compatability in thought and philosophy with such a stand/position. I respectfully want to make it known I am in FULL DISagreement with Israel's unconditional support and feel ALL sides must find mechanisms/process to de-escalate and retreat to act rationally again.

I suggest....a petition for a referendum on the issues and as such initially a petition for an immediate moritorium on all militry actions and planning and for us all to come to some less lethal status. We are playing with WMD's and I didn't authorise their use did you? Who makes such decisions on our behalf and what are THIER interests and motivations???? PETITIONS and REFERENDUM are simple and legal processes, getting behind them in numbers not so simple. There is an official page at the Whitehouse site for OFFICIALLY registering a petition. This IS doable, no need for process through a represenational system with mixed views and motivations. There is no time for dispute and contradiction while WMD are used, considered or even armed/available as the GLOBE will pay the consequences and I feel it very arrogant of a few to feel they speak for all of humanity. This can be and must be stopped.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/create

ANY issue/policy/choices before Congress and Senate can be fast tracked/bypassed with a petition and supporting referendum on the choices to overturn or modify, regardless of how it sits now in politics and processes in place. To move we HAVE the process just no one seems to know how much power we HAVE right NOW and without any revolutions or civil wars, but by exercising our DIRECT democratic right which is TRUE democracy imo.

Over the last weekend I attended 2 conferences in NY, one was Contact (which was a great event) followed by MetaCurrency project meeting.

In both events attended a representative from OWS.

He’s been living there for the last 3 weeks and wanted to see if and how the ideas presented at the 2 conferences can help or be integrated with the OWS cause.

He shared some of his experience but to our great surprise said that his biggest problem at the moment is getting sleep!

Apparently some people are taking advantage of the freedom and openness of the OWS movement.

Homeless people, junkies and others are coming over, taking blankets, eating the food, harassing the occupiers, disturbing the peace and sleep and also interfering with the ongoing discussion and voting processes.

The bind is that the group declares openness, transparency and freedom as some of its principal of operations and decline to use any known methods of enforcing order and by that (in their view) accepting the system rules to which they object to.

I should say at this point that I support qualitative change and I would like to see OWS creating one.

Can it be that a qualitative change cannot be achieved without some quantitative one?

My view is that such a change demands a different ecology of mind, hopefully OWS and other movements would help facilitate such a change.

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Something to ponder/consider and to pass around to those already involved in the Occupation crews and those still in planning stage. This is something the people can do without the need for outside intervention:

Set up camps in the occupation crews/mobs with tents for discussion, debate and as command centers for info and press releases. The idea is to make it a "working" occupation. The various tents/camps can be topically organised as Economy, Banking, Health care, Democracy/Politics, Social Benefits, Capitalism or any other set up funnelling organised thought.

This could turn the occupations into a carnival like atmosphere where people float around to various tents for info and input as they would a trade show or convention. Those tents/organisers use Google Docs as a common shared workspace to produce a Manifesto (proposed changes) and use that to create individual petitions, referendums and formal applications for legislative change put to a referendum not the tradition representational democracy that we have. That way we have direct democracy on key issues that can be identified and proposed by working groups throughout north America. The others can become advisors and mentors for those on site. We have access in as much as access viewing so we can organise authoritative and sound advisory support to be phoned in, online, involved in the workspace.

The idea is to consolidate the various manifesto's and various petitions into regional, local and national planning toward required procedural and legislative reform. The direct democracy can make turn around very short (weeks not months).

This format would bring out the best in everyone, make it a historically significant event and come away proud to know that solutions were proposed and actions are planned and a new support network of advisors can be taken back to everyone's respective communities and introduced as part of any local initiatives proposed in the "Knowledge Camps".

I have the idea to invite Google to help and Apple to help and others who can supply tents and logistics equipment that are NOT part of the "establishment" most despised by the protesters. That is we don't want corporate sponsors who are part of the problem. I think this can take on a carnival like atmosphere with positive progress that can be tracked daily. I personally feel that a whole host of new ideas and solutions will cascade from the discussions. This can be like the days when the founding fathers sat in tents and came up with the constitution. The same thing can happen again. No need for cops battling protesters. If we set up a group like the above, that would tend to be self policing imo toward non violence and disruption. Both would be self defeating to any action groups.

Yes there will be conflict from the loud and noisy anarchists but that doesn't need to be the tone and profile of the entire event. Those noisy anarchists need to be deflected and subdued to make way for constructive debate and progress. In the end the rational logic of those intentions I feel will prevail over any anarchy and disruption. At least we better plan for it (to accommodate the rage and confront crowd and agitators). Those agitators will be there, so it best be part of the logistical planning for security and order and should not need a police force outside of those already in the group/mob (self policing). If we catch the mood SOON and direct it accordingly I feel we will avoid the prospect of growing rage and the growing likelihood for conflict. The lack of media at this time is a good thing as those who are most likely to be caught on camera are the angry rage filled anarchist profile. We can organise and moderate imo. At least we should try and if you have a better idea than the above, it's time to make that known.

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This movement has local members throughout Ontario and is leading the way for social and economic reforms. If you have never heard of names like Jacque Fresco, The Venus Project. (TVP), The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM), this is a must read.

http://www.examiner.com/social-change-in-toronto/the-zeitgiest-movement-response-to-occupy-wall-street

This is some serious information to consider if you haven't already. Over-reaction? You decide.

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There is a long ongoing discussion about the financial systems which gained even more momentum following the recent financial crisis (AKA credit crunch).

Many voices are being heard, almost all throwing terms and slogans arguing their perspective to be the ultimate one, fast to show the errors of other perspectives.

Socialism, Capitalism (neo-liberal or other), free market, taxes, risk, leveraging, hedging are just a tip of the iceberg.

Many of the arguments are directed at the system (x or y), the Banks, the government, the corporate, even certain technologies are to be blame.

I observe all these arguments with sheer amazement.

Really?

Since the beginning of humanity it was all about the human nature and never the tools.

Once human created a club to hunt a mammoth, the same club was used to hit a neighbour or a potential mate.

In my view not much has changed since then.

We have much more complex and effective tools which allows for much greater effect (positive or negative).

Capitalism and socialism are not bad ideologies, nor the Banks evil,

it is human nature that drives people to be irresponsible, take un-necessary risks, value money above well being and in general behaving in a manner that is beyond and ethical standard of being.

As long as people will not take responsibility and will not hold themselves to a higher code of conduct, problems and crises will follow.