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The bind of creating a change

Posted by Yissar Lior Israeli on November 21, 2011 at 4:20 AM

 

Over the last weekend I attended 2 conferences in NY, one was Contact (which was a great event) followed by MetaCurrency project meeting.

 

In both events attended a representative from OWS.

He’s been living there for the last 3 weeks and wanted to see if and how the ideas presented at the 2 conferences can help or be integrated with the OWS cause.

He shared some of his experience but to our great surprise said that his biggest problem at the moment is getting sleep!

Apparently some people are taking advantage of the freedom and openness of the OWS movement.

Homeless people, junkies and others are coming over, taking blankets, eating the food, harassing the occupiers, disturbing the peace and sleep and also interfering with the ongoing discussion and voting processes.

 

The bind is that the group declares openness, transparency and freedom as some of its principal of operations and decline to use any known methods of enforcing order and by that (in their view) accepting the system rules to which they object to.

 

I should say at this point that I support qualitative change and I would like to see OWS creating one.

 

Can it be that a qualitative change cannot be achieved without some quantitative one?

 

My view is that such a change demands a different ecology of mind, hopefully OWS and other movements would help facilitate such a change.


Categories: General Discussion, Sociology, Psychology, Politics, Religion

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5 Comments

Reply Victor Jasin
9:02 PM on November 26, 2011 
In London Ontario Canada we are working on the Quantitative and qualitative issues in creating a process/mechanism whereby grievances listed and put forth can be resolved.

The mechanism function and progress has not relevance to any one issue other than perhaps political reforms. We are not discussing it, we are doing it. I expect we will be publishing more updates as time goes on but right now, to the best my knowledge, we were the first and right now leader in organizing GA's off site toward action committees with reform and conflict resolution as part of their varied missions.

I suggest you follow us in Your Yard until you find another you like. We do not want discussion of any issues other than "how to bring process to grievance resolution". There are pics and posts that grab an issue from time to time, but those are irrelevant in our overall mission. Pass it around, I'm promoting it simply for content and ideas vs. ownership of any new movement or concept.

Ideas are in the public domain as far as I'm concerned and what works and makes sense with all facts considered, is what is important

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyYY
Reply Andrew Crook
6:59 PM on December 3, 2011 
Can you define what you mean by a Quantitative and Qualitative change?

The Occupy Movement is fighting the most oppressive tyrant we have ever known.. Our own mind. The war being fought here is one of thoughts. Though the system uses force to subdue us, it has yet to find a way to subdue love.

In this their defeat is assured.
Reply Yissar Lior Israeli
6:35 AM on December 4, 2011 
Hello Andrew,

By Quantitative I mean moving up (and down) on the scale/dimension and by Qualitative I mean moving to another scale/dimension.
In the context of the economy I do not believe that more (or less) regulation, different tax levels, etc is enough of a change. I believe we need to rethink the way we think of economy and money.
In a broader context (our mind), we now know that it is full of biases; social, cultural, cognitive, biological and behavioral.
In my opinion, the only way to change our minds is to breakthrough these biases and create a better mind.
Reply Andrew Crook
1:07 PM on December 5, 2011 
Well then I completely agree with you on that.

In my mind, we are at the crossroads of a great evolutionary step for humanity. The old world systems of power and wealth are crumbling all around us. The emperor truly has no clothes.

As our world continues to advance, globalization is inevitable. However, it will not be the nation state or the power brokers of today who will realize its benefits but the rest of free humanity.

-Free trade will become fair trade.
-Globalization of capital will become globalization of human rights.
-Political conflict will become consensual dialog.
-Transnational corporations will become community focused enterprise.
-Centralized political power will become decentralized participatory. democracy.
-Economic focus will become ecological focus.
-The scarcity business model will become the abundance business model.

It's a brave new world alright and it's happening as we speak. The desperate actions of our "leaders", the passing of draconian laws, the violent suppression of legal protest is only the passing of greed. As long as tyrants die liberty will reign supreme.

Many do not believe this new world is possible, that is okay. There need only be a few believers to make it a reality. Just like every great revolution throughout history.
Reply Michaels
2:58 PM on January 13, 2012 
Yissar, Vic and Andrew,

Yes indeed to your ideas! Andrew, I especially like your list: Free trade will become fair trade.
-Globalization of capital will become globalization of human rights.
-Political conflict will become consensual dialog.
-Transnational corporations will become community focused enterprise.
-Centralized political power will become decentralized participatory. democracy.
-Economic focus will become ecological focus.
-The scarcity business model will become the abundance business model.

May I share it with Face Book friends? (I will keep your privacy.)

Vic, I'd like to know more about the "process/mechanism whereby grievances listed and put forth...." It sounds to be a mechanism for creating peaceful solutions. Is "Your Yard" somewhere at which I can read more?

Thanks,

Michaels
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